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Axe is ready to fall on under-performing Norwich City stars

06:30 06 November 2014

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Norwich City's players under-performed in a 4-0 Championship mauling at Middlesbrough. Picture by Paul Chesterton/Focus Images Ltd

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Neil Adams is warning his Norwich City players to buck up their ideas for the Championship trip to Nottingham Forest after an embarrassing 4-0 defeat at Middlesbrough.

Adams is ready to consider changes to his line up for this league weekend’s test at the City Ground following a no-show on Teesside from the same group of players who beat Bolton 2-1 just four days earlier at Carrow Road.

“When you get beat like that there is nobody who has a divine right to start the next game,” he said. “We won’t make any snap decisions but the Forest game is on paper as tough as Middlesbrough so of course we have to look at it and it gives others an opportunity. Middlesbrough simply wasn’t good enough.

“I would hope I have a group of lads who want to go out now and put things right and show that we fell below our standards. We have a good test on Saturday and we have to be up for it.

“It is massive now. They will probably be rubbing their hands together and they will need the points as well.”

City’s brittle defensive effort at the Riverside on Tuesday has earned stiff criticism.

“Goals change it because we were dominating the ball and you felt this is okay in the early period,” said Adams. “The first goal is preventable. You look individually how we defended and it isn’t good enough so I have to be hugely concerned after a heavy defeat and a performance that isn’t good enough. We shouldn’t be losing 4-0 to any side so I’ll certainly be thinking about making decisions regarding players.

“One game doesn’t make you a bad teams or bad players and I think they (Boro) will be up there. They were organised but looking at the two starting line ups I felt both had players who can cause a problem and we showed that at the start but over the 90 minutes they were better.”

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56 comments

  • Yes Lincs, I've taken it too far ........ IDIOT !

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    nevermindthedanger

    Friday, November 7, 2014

  • An acronym too far eh, nmtd. Ok, I'll go back to my stats.

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    Lincs Canary

    Friday, November 7, 2014

  • Sorry Lincs, can't do the Delia IDIOTS, afterall just a majority shareholder and all that ......... still gladly an INIT though, also proud to have Norwich In My Blood Yeah? - hey I'm also a NIMBY!

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    nevermindthedanger

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • Blackdog2 - good sensible post,Back in the days of Ken Brown, Dave Stringer and Mike Walker one thing City were always known for was as a good footballing side similar to John Lyalls West Ham neither side won much of note but you often came away from those games having enjoyed the game. I think given the time Adams will do that for us again. There has been times this season where we have played nice football but we haven't done it consistently. I think it will come. Does seem to be a lot of impatient fans on here. Can anyone remind me who was the City manager who converted Chris Sutton from a centre half to a centre forward.

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    NoggintheNog

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • I think we agree on he fundsmentals. The basic state of the club - ownership, youth set up, finances etc are great so I'm essentially happy. Last season and the last few weeks of this seaon have been disappointing but we mustntblose sight of the bigger picture. We've got a good chance of going up this year but its not guaranteed but it wouldn't be a disaster if we didn't. We would still have a strong squad and have the chance to blood some young players which we wouldn't be able to in PM. We need to give NA a fair crack of the whip answer and not succombe to short term stupidity.

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    Monkeys Thumbs

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • Yes MT I agree but I put that comment on here to try to stimulate a meaningful debate. The other side of the coin of playing in the land of milk and honey is the position we are in at the moment. Adams has certain pedigree and could possibly be a good choice but fans are too impatient and demand overnight success as do the foreign owners with their millions. The chances of Norwich being foreign owned I believe are very unlikely and surely that is not the fans wish either, likewise the board for all their faults are not going to mortgage the club and it's assets to chase success, we've been there before! Adams needs time and the fans patience, yes he will make mistakes and that is how to learn, he will make it and the board have to back him and not panic into jumping ship.

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    blackdog2

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • I agree with most of what you say Black Dawg but surely you've got to give it a shot' aim high? Bobbing around in the comfort zone of championship football would get pretty tiresome after a while even if we are playing good footy. The whole premise of league football is to get as high as you can. And its not impossible for a club like ours to get promoted and prosper - you just need to look at Southampton to see that.

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    Monkeys Thumbs

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • Current form wiven tends to be last six games . I usually check the statto wsite, Statto being the guy who used to appear on Baddiel and Skinners Fantasy Football show. Presently we are 18th (1ppg) and Forest bottom(0.33ppg). As regards the notion we should settle for being a solvent provincial club of limited ambition, well ok, so long as we field our strongest team in the cups in future. MB, yes, I was asking Archie to do investigative journalism. Or do you think the Nottingham press would be more fruitful? Maybe the Beano. Also MB, and nmtd, how about becoming IDIOTs (In Delia I Overtly Trust).

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    Lincs Canary

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • A fair summing up Blackdog.

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    cutty

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • Heard it before? Neil Adams says he players need to buck up their ideas. Well he said the same thing a few games ago but failed to make any significant changes. Just tinkering around when we need a big rethink about the method of play and the way several players are being played out of position for a start. I totally agree with Stew and have said it for some time - Ollsen is not having a good season and Garrido should be introduced. Ruddy is also struggling for some reason and has let in goals which in the past he would have saved with ease. I feel the Forest game and the two following home matches will define our season. However I am not confident because we are simply not playing well enough. Forget all that nonsense about possession stats. As has been conclusively shown they are meaningless unless they have an end result. This is starting to have the feel of last season when, having started reasonably well, we started a long and unstoppable slide.

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    malaga flier

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • Following a local community based and owned team brings home the reality of being in the lower leagues, not just for Norwich but the vast majority of English league clubs. Success and promotion yes of course that is the aim and wish of every supporter but is it achievable and sustainable? To be a mid to near the top team playing good football is probably a better result for happier supporters but then you end up as a feeder club to the big uns. All the small clubs struggle when they reach the land of milk and honey, a few survive, not many, evn Ipswich for all their supporters delight at them being higher at the moment know in reality how they would struggle if they made it up. Take consolation in that this is a viable club well supported and really would the supporters want it any other way?

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    blackdog2

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • We need a Duncan Forbes in central defence, He put the fear of G'd into anyone who didn't concentrate and he led by example. Time for NA to phone Joe to source such a player!

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    cutty

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • Thinking about making decisions regarding players an't the same as axing players. As for the players I know from experience that when you play mid field or up front and you see the defence conceding easy goals game after game you tend to think fu'k this for a game of soldiers. If the manager an't going to sort this then I'm not going to bust a gut.

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    cutty

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • How many games do we go back to get 'current form' 3,6 or 9. Its about a point a game even if we take the 9 option. That is just a little worrying, still enough games to sort it, but play another 7 at that point a game return and thats half a season gone for 33 or so points. Could mean 42 points from the last 23 games to make the playoffs. Need a good next 7 please Neil.

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    wivenhoebudgie

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • Has Martin suddenly become a marvellous right back? Didn't see any of that last season, just a lot of running backwards until the attacker was almost on the goal line.

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    goldie

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • I have to take issue with Chimp's Digit. We were motoring but now we are showing signs of a blown engine with no mechanic on the team. Neither engines nor football teams mend themselves.

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    waclor

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • More empty threats and promises from Mr Adams. What's the betting that, apart from Lafferty, on Saturday it will be much the same again for names, formation and tactics and with the same predictable poor outcome.

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    Bellboy

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana INIT

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    nevermindthedanger

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • LincsCan; are you seriously asking Archie to do some investigative stuff? He`s only just got over Halloween, and it`ll soon be time for in-depth reports on the Thorpe St. Andrew Fireworkfest and Best Guy Competition. It`ll soon be scone season, too. Then strawberry fayres forever.Tempus fugit. INIT (just for NMTD). izal for me. OTBC.

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    Mad Brewer

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • 1st Point….We have just been beaten by Middlesborough,a side who had little money to spend in the off season but have a Manager who was No 2 to Mourinio at Real Madrid…..by comparison we had funds to spend and we did and are Managed by Neil Adams Management experience Youth Cup Winners 2013 2nd Point…we have arguably the strongest most experienced( in PL ) on paper….but last year Leicester and Burnley played with passion a nd real desire and with no real superstars…..Yes Arry maned to get Q.P.R up but Adamd is nor Harry I am worried

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    Kazakhstan Canary

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • In the PL this defence of ours would be getting hammered. Just a thought on our Scottish defenders is how come when Strachan plays them in their club positions for Scotland they receive rave notices, but playing for Norwich they are candidates for the Yarmouth donkey rides. Had a peep at the Nottingham fan boards to see how they were coping with their slump but the story that caught my eye was Chump clubs have today voted to change the rules on ffp so that from 2016\17 it will be easier to run up debt without retribution. That would suit the Forest owner with his £1.4 billion fortune and any other owner who does not need to worry about break even. Curious to know how NCFC voted. Over to you Archie.

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    Lincs Canary

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • I would love to see Neil succeed but foremost I want NCFC to be successful, whoever is in charge. I like to think that all my comments are constructive ones, I know I tend to harp on about our defensive weaknesses but that is because that is the area I played in, so I naturally notice our weaknesses there. I think part of our problem stems from the gung ho approach Neil has to attacking, great when you are winning but not so good when you fail to score. Keeping it tight at the back at least hangs on to a point. Football has a habit of throwing up strange results at times and traditionally we will probably play out a goalless draw on Saturday.

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    TrevorKeith

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • Lower case "init", but nevertheless still in it as an init. Building up to Saturday, back in Caps Lock mode, the season is for sure on a knife edge for Forest, 2 seasons tops for a Champ manager these days ........... maybe all will be well at 4:45 on Sat and Hootie the Owl will welcome some weary travellers in her brestaurant .......... mine's a double!

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    nevermindthedanger

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • Yes GV, that is what I'm saying. I'm sick of the flouncers. We're 4 off top and haven't got motoring yet. When we do the fans will realise how lucky we are to have NA. OTBC

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    Monkeys Thumbs

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • but he did have a damn fine short, back and sides - and for that reason alone, RVW should be celebrated

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    Morgan's_tight_pants

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • CH Chat like the below just summarises how lost some NCFC fans are.. it was half of you who kept him in the job and your opinions are part the reason why we are not in the prem - captain canary could have done a better job than CH - so by default had NA actually been given some winable games we would almost defs still be in the Prem cos he spotted that 23hrs RVW was a project to abandon - in fact its funny as most fans cant see our blind faith in this player was part the reason we went down but some fans still think its not his fault etc well technically no as he doesnt pick himself but he was lightweight, petulant and a sulker.

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    Jbone

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • yeh tough league but in black and white, City want instant promotion, so you hire someone who has experience in this league. losing only highlights this point. and i'll throw all my rattles, toys, dummies and rusks out until i'm satisfied that my pram's cleared out

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    Morgan's_tight_pants

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • Funnily enough - or maybe not - but I reckon that Hughton would have had an easier time in the Championship than NA. Maybe the Board should have given him another season before sacking him. They took their time anyway, and really had nothing to lose. Not sure that with NA at the helm we will gain very much. The weekend seems set up nicely for Forest, rather than the Canaries, to reverse their fortunes. Yes, this post is tainted with a degree of irony!

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    wallybrain

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • On another board, I have tried to draw comparisons between Neil Adams and Dave Stringer. Both had been in the Carra Comfort Zone for a long time. Both were new to Senior management. Dave did a good job overall. If we collectively believe Neil must deliver instant success and promotion to the Prem, we are being naive and over-optimistic. Neil has been, to some extent, hoisted by his own petard with the `fear and awe` stuff. Time to get sensible, walk the walk and churn out some good results again. My feeling is that he`s here for the long haul. I confess, though, I also thought that of Chrissie at first (SloveniCan even called me a `Hughton apologist`!). Pre-season prediction\guess was 83 points and 3rd place. I`d certainly settle for that as things stand now. It is noted that nmtd has gone for a less emphatic, lower case "init" this time! iZaL.

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    Mad Brewer

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • Canary tifoso this is exactly what I said yesty. Yes GV there are those who are so desperate to see NA fail so that they can say I told you so. On the question of press conferences and after match interviews what do we really expect any manager to say. If no comments are made to anybody they would be accused of hiding and "why wont he talk to us", and yet on the hand they get accused "of no more interviews and chat get on with the job in hand"

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    Egyptian canary

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • It is true there are legitimate causes of concern and debating these is all part of the fun and games being a supporter of our great club, I just can't stand it when people throw their toys out of the pram at every opportunity and demand a new manager every time we lose. ''Boo hoo we should be walking this league.. blah blah radio commentator no experience.. wimper wimper I love Tony Pullis'' etc etc. This is the Championship we are dealing with it's a tough league deal with it.

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    GossVolley

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • @GossVolley......Yes there are plenty of those who would love to see NA fail. Pleased to say I'm not one of them. I want the guy to succeed. And yes, a sense of rationale is needed by a few in terms of where we are currently.

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    Mellow_Yellow

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • Personally I don't think anyone can blame John Ruddy if the defence in front of him is under performing. Having said that until Tuesday night its not as if we've leaked great numbers, mainly soft goals that yes, should have been easily taken care of. I would though like to see the back of Whittaker. He doesn't inspire me with much confidence at right-back and cannot pass the ball to save his life - easily exploited by the opposition as was the case Tuesday. I agree with the majority in that Martin should be playing in this position and either Cuellar or Miquel brought in to centre-back. Lets not overlook though that the majority of goals scored against us materialise from counter-attacks high up the pitch following a duff pass or loose ball from one of our own.

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    Mellow_Yellow

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • I agree 100% GV - the doubters have been lurky in the undergrowth, David Bellamy stylee, ever since the appointment was made - and "the trouble is", as Mrs Danger always tells me, the doubters are having a more legitimate case as the weeks go on ............ need to fight the Forest fire with more than a damp cloth this weekend OTBC (init)

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    nevermindthedanger

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • The sad thing is there are certain 'fans' who deep down wanted Neil to struggle from the outset and couldn't wait for a downturn in form so they could run off their best 'I told you so' outrage. Pathetic. If someone said 4 points off top in November before a ball was kicked I would have said yes please...

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    GossVolley

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • Apropos of nothing; if Middlesbrough is spelt as it is, shouldn`t the abbreviation be Bro, rather than Boro? My entry for Pedant of the Season. ;-)

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    Mad Brewer

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • I see some of the players are to appear in a new soccer am feature. It's going to be called ' hit the barn door challenge'! I just cannot fathom how players who spend 6 days a week (but about 12 hours at work!) with a football at their feet cannot kick it to another of their team mates standing on the same pitch. Is that not a fundamental of this game?

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    john doe

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • jeez... i almost believed you Neil! then i realised you just acting up a front for our benefit. i'm starting to think that more experienced manager was required now. a man with heart, can't argue with that, but as much as i hate to type this... it's the statistics that count... oh, and remember he had a little go at the Premiership which wasn't so great either if i recall

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    Morgan's_tight_pants

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • TK; I reckon the only topic we`ve had significant differences of opinion on were Robert related ones! And you are justified in keeping the CB\RB nonsense in the headlights, lest we forget. Off topic, (HEINOUS): "Wark" is on Old English\Germanic word meaning, simply, "Pain". Etymologically related to "Ache". On the other hand, it could be derived from an obsolete Scots word meaning "Building". (As in the King`s Wark gastropub in Leith). What a rough place that was 40 years ago, with lunchtime strippers and `interesting` clientele. Now it`s all pretentious grub for gastro-freaks and tourists. I shall always think of `Wark` as a "Pain", though. `Tash and all. OTBC.

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    Mad Brewer

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • Mr Adams.Just watched goals again from 'boro game and it was'nt just the 1st goal which was preventable, they all were!!! Ignoring JR's ricket for the last,the third is as bad as the 1st with Leadbitter allowed the freedom of our half.Redmond watches him run without tracking and Martin is all over the place.As for dominating the ball,if this means knocking it around the back four and midfield with no real forward movement,any team in the league is dominating!!!The gaps between our back 4 and midfield only goes to prove that our defence realise they have no pace and are scared to move up for fear of being exposed. The trouble being,if the CB signings adams made are no better pace wise,which looking at Arsenals defence miguel obviously is'nt then whose fault is that.I feel adams thought we'll score enough to compensate the poor defence,but but did'nt factor in what would happen if did'nt hit the net more than our opposition.

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    Manning's bandy legs

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • Play Cuellar and Miquel. They can't do any worse. Martin can replace Whittaker at right back.

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    Colin

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • Thanks Brew, you took the words right out of my mouth but I dare not mention it any more for fear of being, well you get the picture. It does however seem strange that we should ship Benno out as we now seem to have a shortage of wingers to the extent that we keep playing a target man on the left and only have Redmond available for the right hand side, given that Josh seems to be seen as a left winger understudy only.

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    TrevorKeith

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • .. or maybe Nail can Neil it this time? I need a new keyboard. All the letters are eroding away for some strange reason...

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    Mad Brewer

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • I had similar problems yesterday, LincsCan. As you say, all the more irritating when the boards were awash with "the likes of" Walkie`s Tosh. Who will replace this legion of underperformers? Surman`s gone. Jacob & Benno on loan. Odija & Wessi injured. Hooper stuck in the double doors at Gregg`s. Grabbs a fully paid-up member of the `Bovine Behind Banjo Bashing Brotherhood`. (Is that OK, Bags?). At least we have some centre backs available, so Nail can sort out the back 4. Can`t he?? All he has to do is ask for Strachan`s blessing!

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    Mad Brewer

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • This all just more talk from Neil Adams. Blah, blah, BLAH! it's got so that nobody believes him or believes IN him.

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    kenfoggo

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • I dare not say too much on the defensive formation save I would expect Turner to be dropped as he is a right footed player being forced to play to the left. However, perhaps part of our problem is the fact that we do not seem to have any goal scoring midfielders but we look stronger playing a 4,5,1 formation. We only had one shot on target Tuesday night for example.

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    TrevorKeith

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • The first thing I would like to see is the dropping of Whittaker, with Martin to replace him. I would bring in Miquel to partner Turner at centre back.

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    canary tifoso

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • Wise words Stew, and welcome aboard Warky. The ship is a bit leaky at the moment but INIT.

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    cutty

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • MAKE SURE THE AXE IS SHARPER THAN OUR FORWARD LINE, If we had a careless attitude on Tuesday then it's very likely we will have the swagger of " they are on the ropes" this will be easy attitude on Saturday. I hate to think we will get turned over Saturday but just the luck to see forest change their fortunes.

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    JB

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • .....while on the subject of devine rights!....Redmond blows hot and cold and is looking to be the next R.S in his style of play! ..needs practice at hitting barn doors if that is his instructions!.....

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    Stew Pydsodd

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • .....What went wrong on Tuesday night is kept under wraps in the dressing room, not necessarily on the field of play!....Do we have another Snodgrass situation?....The chosen few are will be representing us again on Saturday come what may!...We could do no worse if the 'lads' were all given a game!....4 goals conceeded by an international keeper against a 2nd grade team would be a joke if it was not as serious!...but he will be selected again and Rudd will have to keep twiddling his thumbs!....Garrido for Olsen might not be a bad idea either, assuming he is capable of taking the throwins!....tbc!.....

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    Stew Pydsodd

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • Saturdays game at Nottingham should be interesting, not so long a go Forest were top of the league, now they are 11th, could be City if they are not careful

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    Derek McDonald

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • Hi Mardler, Warky's Sideburns here. Forest as tough as Boro says NA. Not if you look at their current form they're not. Ten without a win while Boro 4 wins in last six and second place. Forest however have impatient Kuwaiti owners with £1.4 billion in the bank and might be more ruthless than our club. As for NA wielding the axe, more likely to be a bit of tinkering with formations and beefing up midfield. Apols in advance if my ethered post eventually appears and says much the same.

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    Lincs Canary

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • Another submission instantly ethered. Why? I mean nobody else is even up yet. Do I need to change my name to "Warky's Sideburns" and write inarticulate troll posts?

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    Lincs Canary

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • After that dismal display at the 'Boro our woeful defence needs strengthening even if the Canaries have to dip into the expensive loan market. No more chat to the media GET ON WITH IT!

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    mardler

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

  • NA is wrong about Forest being as tough a game as Middlesboro. Forest, after last night, are ten without a win, bottom of the current form league at an average 0.33 points per game. Boro are second in both the actual and current form tables. In fact on paper Forest are a gift to any team looking for a boost. Don't see Adams wielding the axe and not convinced he will appease the change the right back lobby. Possibly he might be more defensive and beef up midfield. Regarding Forest, I wonder how impatient the Kuwaiti owners are becoming with Pearce. They have promised to splash the cash in January but will Psycho be there to spend? As for our owners will they invest in players to help those already here? One thing's for sure, they don't have the Forest owners £1.4 billion clout.

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    Lincs Canary

    Thursday, November 6, 2014

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